Bigotry: II


I came home this evening content to move on from my Tim Tebow rant. Then I saw an increasing number of people accuse me of bigotry. So I feel compelled to sort of respond.

I’ve has the true misfortune of knowing myriad bigots in my lifetime. I grew up in a town where interracial dating wasn’t tolerated, and where my closest friend had multiple crosses burned in his yard. Many of the Jewish kids I knew had pennies tossed at them by classmates, and once a year (or so) Swastikas were spray-painted on the local synagogue. My 8th grade history teacher once explained to us how blacks lack the ability to ski or swim—”but that’s OK, because they’re good at other stuff.” How many times were the phrases “fag” and “queer” uttered? Hundreds … thousands. I lost count.

I’m not whining here—certainly, my experiences as a boy mirror those of many others in this country. But when I think of bigotry, I think of an unjustified, universal hatred of a group and/or peoples. I, for the record, have nothing but respect for 99% of the Christians I have met in my lifetime. As a kid, I spent many Christmases at the Gargano household up the street, eating turkey and playing with Dennis’ presents. I’ve been to a dozen or so communions and Christenings, and always find the ceremonies rich in love. One of my closest friends is a die-hard Christian who believes in Jesus as her savior and attends church weekly. We have amazingly passionate religious debates, and at the end we agree to disagree. No harm, no foul. (Admittedly, these past few sentences sound a little bit like the racist who says, “I once even let a black person use my toilet! Without wiping the seat!”)

My issue with Tim Tebow and his ilk is not bigotry. It is, instead, a genuine fear of the cloaked-by-expressed-love hatred practiced in the name of the Lord. I know … I know—what many of these people are doing is supposed to be admirable, and I’m required by cliche to write that “Tim Tebow’s faith is inspiring and uplifting.” But I just can’t see it that way. Why is it OK to believe that you and I (the non-believers) are damned to an eternity in hell? And by “Why is it OK …” I don’t mean, “Why is this thought/opinion allowed?” What I mean is, why does society as a whole support such an ideal as legitimate and, quite often, virtuous? Were, say, a white supremacist group to say all Jews are damned to hell, they would be attacked as haters and evil-doers. But because the Bible is involved, all’s kosher? Furthermore, why is it OK to declare homosexuality a sin, as most churches do? Is that not as bigoted a take as racism and antisemitism? Yet because it’s stated in the name of God, we nod and (We might not agree, but we accept) and take the words “I love the sinner but hate the sin” as some sort of acceptable moralistic reasoning.

As for the missionary work, well, I just don’t comprehend how anyone can look at a missionary whose clearly stated goal is conversion and think, “Wow, that’s wonderful.” As we speak, Christian missionaries are scattered throughout Third World nations, trying their best to sell (with food; with clothing; with emotional support) the people of Nicaragua and Haiti and Chad on a certain view of God. I’m NOT saying all missionaries are bad, and I can (to a certain extent) appreciate the I-know-the-magic-of-God-and-it’d-be-wrong-not-to-share-it-with-the-world mindset. But  there is something genuinely abhorrent about religious missionary work where the primary goal is not to feed or house, but convert (And anyone who has gone to Tebow’s father’s website can see what the stated objectives are).

Does this all make me a bigot? No. It makes me someone unwilling to accept accepted behavior for convention’s sake.

46 thoughts on “Bigotry: II”

  1. That’s all organized religion. Any time that you’re willing to put an ideal that correlates to an imaginary friend ahead of the comfort and well-being of another human, I think it’s downright dangerous.

  2. “So I shamelessly say, no, I want him to fail, if his agenda is a far- left collectivism, some people say socialism, as a conservative heartfelt, deeply, why would I want socialism to succeed?” -Rush Limbaugh

    “But I want Tim Tebow to fail. I want a team to draft him in the sixth round, then I want him to report to training camp, throw a bunch of dying quails and be cut.” -Jeff Pearlman

    Your comments about Tim Tebow are wrong. Except for wanting him to fail, I feel the same way about Tim Tebow, but I think he has a right to express his feelings and will allow for the possibility that he is right and I am wrong. I don’t consider your “fail” comment to be bigoted, just to be as wrongheaded as Limbaugh’s comment.

  3. You’re completely missing the point and you’re purposely using extreme examples to illustrate your point.

    No one accused you of burning a Star of David on Tebow’s lawn or something like that.

    Your post explicitly stated that you hope Tim Tebow fail BECAUSE of his religion.

    Does this make you the grand wizard of the KKK? Does it make you David Duke’s press secretary?

    Of course not. But you are judging another person solely based on their religious beliefs. And if you don’t think that’s a form of bigotry, I’m not sure what to tell you. At the very least it’s hypocritical–especially with some of the posts you make on this Blog.

    It’s easy not to like Tim Tebow, he’s insanely overrated, he wins a lot, he ubiquitous, sports writers write reams about what a “great guy” he is and he and finally (and I agree with you on this) his family do seem like pains in the asses. And I’m sure there are myriad more reasons.

    But, to dislike him and hope that he fails because he’s a Christian. Come on, you know better than that.

    1. Byron, it’s not his religious beliefs. It’s the way those religious beliefs use God and Jesus to mask the truth of what the followers believe and seek. I’m sorry, but seeking to convert people—actively traveling to poor countries to sell/con people into believing what you do, isn’t religion. It’s salesmanship, and it’s wrong.

  4. Jeff,

    I think that is a thoughtful discussion and I’m glad that you’re taking part in it … not too many writers would do that.

    Now that I’m done kissing your ass,

    “Byron, it’s not his religious beliefs. It’s the way those religious beliefs use God and Jesus to mask the truth of what the followers believe and seek. I’m sorry, but seeking to convert people—actively traveling to poor countries to sell/con people into believing what you do, isn’t religion. It’s salesmanship, and it’s wrong.”

    I don’t think that you were completely clear in all of this in your first piece. But if that’s your take, I guess I see where you’re coming from.

    But at the same time, isn’t the bottom line what matters here? He is helping out the poor. I’m not trying to change the argument mid-stroke here, but I guess its better than blowing is money on cars and mink coats.

    “And I don’t actually need extreme examples to make my point. There are few things more extreme than Christian fundamentalism traveling the world to sway the masses.”

    But you used extreme examples (Jewish kids getting pennies throw at them, black people having crosses burnt on their lawn) and juxtaposed them to what you wrote a few days ago.

    Maybe you didn’t explicit say that, but I think that the logical conclusion is that you wrote those examples to show you weren’t doing that. And that’s ok, you wouldn’t be the first writer to use hyperbole to make a point.

    To be honest with you, I don’t know. I do not know you, so I’m not disappointed in what you wrote (hell, I came to your Blog because you ripped ESPN one day–I saw a link on Deadspin–and stayed for the updates). I don’t even particularly like Tim Tebow that much or consider myself overly religious.

    I guess I was just taken aback (slightly) by the tone and anger of your post.

  5. Matt:
    I think Tim Tebow can become president. As long as he was born to American parents.
    George Romney, ran in 1968, was born in Mexico.
    Recently John McCain ran for President. He was born in Colón Panama. Colón was outside the US-administered canal zone.

  6. I see you deleted my post.
    Hit too close to home?
    It’s your blog, and your right to do as you wish.
    Freedom of the press and all…

    There was no hate or bigotry in my post. You should try that.
    I just used the First Amendment to the Constitution which seems to rub you wrong.

  7. “But there is something genuinely abhorrent about religious missionary work where the primary goal is not to feed or house, but convert.”

    A basic tenant of the Christian faith is ‘making disciples.’ In fact, Jesus’ last instructions to his followers were to, and I quote, ‘go to all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, son and holy spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I commanded you.’

    In other words, it is illogical ‘fine’ with ‘99% of Christians’ while having a problem with missionaries. EVERY Christian has signed up to be a part of a religion that purposely seeks to convert others.

    So, it seems to me that you should either have a problem with Christians in general or not. Picking and choosing is simply inconsistent with the facts of what Christianity is all about.

  8. Jeff,
    I appreciate you allowing me to re-post.
    At one time it did post at 10:24, now it is gone.
    I accept your email that you didn’t delete it.

    In your heart you recognize you are a bigot.
    You said it yourself, “(Admittedly, these past few sentences sound a little bit like the racist who says, “I once even let a black person use my toilet! Without wiping the seat!”)”
    You might want to excuse it away but it IS bigotry.

    1st Amendment to the Constitution:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    You don’t like that.
    You run counter to the Constitution. “…prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech…”

    My son is putting his life on the line to protect this Right for all Americans, including Tim Tebow.
    He is also putting his life on the line to protect your right, not only for your freedom of speech but also, a free press.
    You would like to put restrictions on the First Amendment.

    By your words you reject the Amendment. Ya, I know you think that’s ludicrous. It’s not.
    While you point your finger at Tebow you fail to realize 3 fingers are pointing right back atcha.

    This is my same complaint with so many Christian groups.
    According to the bible ANY sin separates us from God.
    Running around pointing fingers at anyone (such as gays) simply isn’t acceptable. Same 3 fingers are pointing back.

    Free Speech:
    I will defend this right for any religious group, be it mainstream, or not.
    I will defend this right for any bigot, be it the neo-Nazis or the KKK to parade in town. Or of religious bigots such as yourself.

    Be honest to yourself. Look In a Mirror – You are a Bigot. Now deal with it.

  9. JMW,

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. You seem to attack Jeff for attacking Tebow, yet you mention all the free speech stuff. I am glad to read that your son is fighting for all America’s rights but freedom of speech isn’t free. Apparently, Jeff wasn’t so free to make his comment without you call him a bigot. That’s because free speech does not exist! If you say something that another person disagrees with; that person has the right to check you on it. I wish you and your family strength during your son’s service.

  10. JMW,

    John McCain was born on a US military compound which, despite its geography, is legally US soil. Therefore, McCain is totally 100% in the clear. I’m less familiar with Romney Sr. so I don’t know about that.

    But having American parents is NOT sufficient. Witness the protests by activists who dispute Pres. Obama’s birthplace. (I am not agreeing with their claim, just pointing out its implication.) You have to be born on American soil.

    Unless Mr. and Mrs. Tebow drove over the military base to deliver the child, Tim Tebow absolutely cannot rise become a constitutional officer, although he could still serve in the Congress or in the governor’s mansion, which are still pretty good jobs.

  11. Greg
    Jeff is trying to make the claim he is not a bigot, when he is.
    I am not attacking his right to be a bigot, I believe I was clear, he has the right to free speech just as anyone in America does.
    I would even defend someone as offensive as a neo-Nazi that same right.
    Would this Nation be safer if we started banning everyone we find offensive? Maybe, just not a price I would be willing to pay.
    Jeff has said he is not tolerant of the Tebow form of Christianity.
    Religious intolerance contradicts our Constitution.
    It is un-American in principle.
    I would defend anyone’s right to speak even if they are un-American.

    I really wouldn’t say much except I believe Jeff doesn’t want to be a bigot.
    Unfortunately many of us – such as me – sometimes have a difficult time seeing our own faults.
    When I have had such failings pointed out I am stubborn, but eventually I begin to see through the fog. I hope Jeff does too.

  12. Matt:
    As I did more research I found you may be right.
    Not sure which site I got the info that he was born in Colón Panama.
    I forgot to mark it.
    George Romney was originally a front runner in the 1968 GOP primaries.
    He was born in a Mormon colony in Mexico.
    The Mexican revolution forced his family to move back to the US.
    One of the questions of Obama was because his father was not an American citizen.
    When it was proven Obama was born in Hawaii the question was solved.

  13. I’m not necessarily defending Jeff’s original statement. I think he goes a little too far in hoping for the failure of a 23 year old kid, just because the kid loves Jesus a little too much. However, this bringing up the Consitution is silly. Jeff didn’t call for government censorship of Tebow’s belief; he just professed that he disagrees with the wacky views of the Tebow clan and that hopes Tebow’s professional football career goes bust.
    The Consitution just guarantees that the federal government can’t interfere with an individual’s right to speak, worship, write, etc…. Jeff didn’t say “Tebow belongs in jail”, or “Tebow should be locked in a room and forced to listen to Jeremiah Wright sermons until he learns to accept socialism.” I wouldn’t be surprised if a liberal like Jeff professed such a belief, but, to this point, he hasn’t.
    The point is that the Counstitution doesn’t say that all human beings have to tolerate each other. The Consitution protects Jeff’s right to compose ridiculous opinions about Tim Tebow as much as it protects Tebow to base his life on the supposed utterances of a 2,000 year old Jewish zombie.

  14. I’m still waiting for someone to ask Tebow, “Hey, Tim, how does the whole NFL thing square with the commandments? You know, the whole ‘keep holy the Sabbath’ one?”

    Of course, I’ve been waiting for someone to ask Warner the same thing for 10 years…:)

  15. Brian:
    My gut tells me 2 things right now.
    1 – I’m hungry
    2 – Jeff is a decent guy that wants to do the right thing.

    The reason for the constitution is because it establishes the principles of the USA.
    On Jeff’s first bigotry post he alluded to being intolerant of the Tebow form of Christianity.
    Jeff seems to want to silence Tebow by wanting him to fail in the NFL(post #1).
    I suggested silencing those that we don’t agree with was Anti-American.
    Jeff doesn’t see himself as a bigot or un-American.
    He is both.
    The constitution establishes Tebow’s right to speak and it establishes the principle of religious tolerance.

    By definition un-American:
    *- not American; not characteristic of or proper to the U.S.; foreign or opposed to the characters, values, standards, goals, etc., of the U.S.
    Based on the Random House Dictionary

    *- Considered contrary to the institutions or principles of the United States.
    The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language

    I don’t think Jeff wants to be un-American. It is my hope he will look in a mirror and put his hatred behind him.
    At the same time I agree Jeff has every right to be as hateful as he wishes.
    Time to cook the noodles.

  16. I did not vote for Bush at any time. Either one.
    I think W is the most unintelligent man that has ever been President.
    Actually I consider myself to be a retired Hippy. I’m close to 60. I’m not retired, but I no longer live the lifestyle.
    Still very much the environmentalist.
    Still very much into people living their own lives.
    I don’t agree with the Tebow Christian view.

  17. LOL
    I’m strong on principle.
    I really hate hypocrisy, especially in religion.
    Jesus was the hardest on the hypocrites.
    I have studied the bible in depth, what we hear so much of today is exactly what the bible warned us would happen in the end times.
    Including the selling of the gospel.
    And the signs and wonders movement.
    In true Christianity there is no place for hatred of any kind.
    Also I love this country with a passion.
    I don’t think you want to be a bigot. I think you will be a happier person when you realize that in some ways you are, and make the effort to change.
    I accept all people, even those I don’t agree with.

  18. I’m glad you toned down what a lot of us perceived to be hate for anyone who believes as Tim Tebow. FYI, just because I oppose abortion and the gay lifestyle does not prevent me from loving those who have had abortion or those who promote and/or responsible for someone getting one, or for that matter having love for gay people.

    Anyone who condemns people to hell need to be very careful because ultimately only one does that.

    Lastly about Tebow, it’s easy to hate/dislike him because IMHO he got waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much love from the mass media esp ESPN, but as someone who is not a big UF fan or even a Tebow fan, I find him to be a “good”, humble, law abiding, family-oriented person as well as an incredible athlete. A role model? Most definitely. Perfect? Most definitely not and I think he’d be the first guy to say that…

  19. JMW,

    The people that wrote the Constitution that you seem so fond of misusing, how TOLERANT were they of blacks, women, Indians and witches? Just asking…..
    The Constitution does NOT say that all beliefs have to be celebrated or even tolerated. It just says that they’re all legally allowed to exist.

  20. Jeff,

    I think the issue is you said you were rooting for Tebow to fail because you don’t like his beliefs and what they represent. That rubs people the wrong way.

    I on the other hand am rooting for him not to make it just so I don’t have to hear about the beliefs anymore. I’m not interested. It was so much more refreshing when Florida lost the SEC championship game and Tebow didn’t mention religion at all afterwards. Although disappointing as well since I was really hoping he would blame Jesus.

  21. Brian:
    Those same people also wrote the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.

    Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged. The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards the Indians; their lands and property shall never be taken from them without their consent; and, in their property, rights, and liberty, they shall never be invaded or disturbed, unless in just and lawful wars authorized by Congress; but laws founded in justice and humanity, shall from time to time be made for preventing wrongs being done to them, and for preserving peace and friendship with them.

    Even slavery was not to be allowed in the new territory see Art. 6.

    One reason you may not have studied this piece of American History is because it ties Religion to Education. The Schools can’t have you learning that stuff.

    Eventually nobody paid any attention to the Ordinance too much Moola to be lost.

  22. JMW,

    I’m not railing against the Founding fathers. I’m a big fan of the Constitution and the freedoms it provides. I was just pointing out that you were wrong about what the Consitution says (The words tolerance never come close to being mentioned in that document.) and that the Fopunding fathers were products of an era that was much less than tolerant towards some in society.
    They are also, by the way, the same people that wrote the Treaty of Tripoli. George Washington wrote it personally, and John Adams signed it. You may want to check that out as well, before you assign opinions to people that they didn’t have. You may especially want to read Article 11, which says, and this is a direct quote, “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
    Also, Thomas Jefferson had a Bible, you can still see it if you tour Minitcello, where he crossed out all of the miracles that Jesus performed and all references to the Resurrection , and anything else that was historically unlikely, and said that Christians would be wise to concentrate on what Jesus said, not the things that He very likely did not do.
    These are other facts that aren’t likely to be found in your school history books, because if the actual truth about the origins of this country were told, Christians like you would throw a fit.
    There is a good reason that Jesus is not mentioned in the Consitution. It is because thr Founding fathers had no interest in protecting the apparently fragile feelings of Tim Tebow.

  23. Brian
    Did I say at ANY time that the United States was Founded on Christianity??
    Certainly most of the founding fathers were of one Christian faith or another.
    They were not so ignorant as to try and establish one religion over government.
    They recognized the NEED for religious tolerance.
    They also recognized the importance of religion, even Tom’s, in establishing good morals.
    I am sure you heard about the 14yr old that was shot and killed in school yesterday. Our schools would do well in recognizing God exists.
    Our founders recognized religion of various kinds needed to be tolerated in a melting pot of people such as ours.

  24. I should add.
    I do believe our forefathers never intended this nation to be a Godless nation.
    No matter which religion they realized there was a God.

  25. I find it amusing that you want Tebow to fail because of his religious beliefs when you wrote this about Michael Vick:

    “I respect PETA, and I admire their work. But if they show up at every Vick game with signs and chants, I’ll show up at every PETA rally at every Vick game with signs and chants. 🙂

    Let the man be.”

    So, Michael Vick, gambling organizer and multiple dog killer gets your cheers–but Tim Tebow, Christian, gets your hatred.

  26. JMW, again, you’re misreading the Consitution. It does protect Tim Tebow’s views from government censorship or control. He can’t be thrown in jail in this country for saying he loves Jesus.
    It does not say that everybody has to like, respect, or even tolerate Tim Tebow. The right to say that Tim Tebow and all other fundamentalist Christians are somewhere adjacent to stupid is also protected by the Consitution.
    And to the anonymous person who compared Tebow to Michael Vick? Vick manned up, plead guilty and did his time in jail. By all accounts, he got through this year without doing anything too stupid. If you’re truly a Christian, shouldn’t you want him to be loved and forgiven, instead of continually persecuted for a crime that he was already punished for? I’m pretty sure, on the historically unlikely chance that Jesus actually existed, He would be a pretty big Michael Vick fan.

  27. Jesus loves extremely quick quarterbacks with big, but inaccurate arms.

    BTW, having seen the commercial–really, it was kinda funny.

  28. Jeff I’m sorry I’m sure your family will be scarred forever. 😉

    Was that really that bad?

    I thought it was pretty good. Not as good as Bird stealing food, but good.

  29. Brian
    I said, more than once, that our government allows free speech even if it is from the Aryan Nation or Tebow haters such as yourself.
    In America we can say things blatantly un-American. If I was to tell you to shut up I would be un-American, but legal.
    Don’t you agree that religious intolerance is considered contrary to the institutions or principles of the United States?
    Or are you saying the institutions and principles of the United States is to be intolerant of religions?
    Which is it?
    By definition “un-American” is:
    Considered contrary to the institutions or principles of the United States.
    The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language

  30. Don’t know if Jesus – Who Certainly Lived – would be a M. Vick fan, or not. He looks at the heart and sees what we can’t.
    Because I can’t see Vick’s heart I am going to assume he has changed.
    He did his time, now let him live.
    I certainly can’t throw stones at others for their failings, I have enough of my own.

  31. JMW,

    Let me get this straight. So, if the White House decides not to invite admitted atheists or members of Anton LaVey’s Church of Satan to their Annual Prayer breakfast, or if Pat Robertson decides not to book Wiccans on his television show, would that be an example of religious intolerance as well? Would you accuse any organization that doesn’t reach out to atheists, Satanists, Wiccans, Scientologists or Muslim fundamentalists unamerican? Like it or not, those all could be classified as religions, or systems of belief at least, that would be protected by the Constitution. So, do you go on websites and protest whenever one of them is attacked by a commentator? Or is it just the judgement against certain religions that concerns you?

  32. The difference is Jeff said he was not TOLERANT of the Tebow form of Christianity. Jeff wants to silence Tim.
    Jeff doesn’t have to invite Tim Tebow over for tea.
    He doesn’t have to allow him space on his blog.

    Americans must to be tolerant of other religions, races, cultures, sexes, etc.
    America is too big of a melting pot. When we become intolerant of others —> Rage often follows.

    You mentioned Pat Robertson. I think he is a false prophet. I wouldn’t want him silenced.

    I told you, “If I was to tell you to shut up I would be un-American, but legal.”

    That has been bothering me. Not at all what I wanted to say. If I said I was not tolerant of your viewpoint. That you were dangerous. Then demanded Jeff remove all of your comments. I would be un-American. (but legal)

  33. So, JMW, you’re saying, as a Christian, you don’t wish atheists, Satanists, fundamentalist Muslims and movie star Scientologists would just shut up? Or are you just satisfied that you will spend eternity in heaven and they will all be burning in Hell? By your defenition, isn’t the whole concept of Heaven and Hell pretty unamerican?

  34. I don’t wish for anyone to shut up.
    There is a difference in wishing someone would be quiet and wanting them silenced.
    Besides watching some Movie Star Scientologist jump up and down and act like a fool on Oprah is good enough.
    God isn’t an American.

  35. Brian,
    This has been kind of fun.
    On a serious note.
    The Wiccans and Scientologists don’t bother me anymore than the Atheists, and Agnostics, which I once was.
    It saddens me that these people don’t have God in their life, but they don’t concern me. They don’t anger me.
    What does concern me is how far away the churches have gone from the truth.
    It is almost impossible today to find a church faithful to the word of God. I have not found one in my community.
    I am not talking about some odd type of Church.

    Pastors will often quote Charles Spurgeon. He wouldn’t be able to pastor a church today.

    If you attend Southern Baptist Theological Seminary you will go to Boyce College. Named after James Petigru Boyce the first Dean of the Seminary. Southern Baptists today do not follow what he preached and taught.

    Christian happily sing Amazing Grace by John Newton, but don’t like his doctrines.

    This is not a surprise, the bible says in the end times the church will fall away.

    The bible also warns that as we come close to the end there will be false teachers and false Christs performing signs and wonders.
    That really started up in the 20th century.
    Faith healing, speaking in tongues, dreams and visions, this has always gone on some. In the 20th century it exploded.
    People preach god wants you to be rich and have money. That idea isn’t in the bible. Jesus sent his disciples out with nothing.
    Somehow people forget Mt 6:24: Ye cannot serve God and mammon. They want wealth, not Christ.
    These are the people that concern me. They are so close to the truth. Yet they lead so many astray.
    Benny Hinn is another with a unique act.
    Have you ever seen his slain in the Spirit act?
    The first time I saw something like that was in the 70’s. A New Age Cult leader, Elizabeth Prophet, performed the same act.
    It is actually a fulfillment of prophecy. Again a sign of the end times.
    In Rev 13:13-14 the beast calls down fire from heaven.
    Baal was not able to bring fire down from heaven (1Kings 18).
    The disciples suggested Jesus do the same.
    Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
    Jesus responded
    Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
    Jesus wouldn’t destroy, in the Garden they came to take him. John 18:3
    By all rights he should have called down fire as Elijah did.
    2Ki 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
    At Gethsemane Jesus introduced a substitute.
    John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

    People like Hinn concern me but I would never want them silenced. God said expect them. Just as God raised Pharaoh up, and hardened his heart, he has allowed these people to rise up here at the end.

    One last, fulfilled, end time prophecy.
    When speaking of his return Jesus said,
    Mr 13:28 ¶ Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
    Mr 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

    Many scholars identify Israel as a fig tree throughout the bible.
    The Fig tree came into leaf May 14, 1948.

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